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I, too, missed the offending post. Must have been pretty bad for the mods to swoop in en masse and get rid of it so quickly. Love2cheer, I appreciate your apologizing, but IMO 15 is old enough to have known better, because you've been around long enough to know how much words can hurt. I only hope you have learned your lesson!
It also upsets me to see Debra and others vilified and ridiculed for being upset by boobage in the gallery, no matter whether the figures were imaginary or not. They are entitled to their opinion, just as you who think the faeries are "art" are entitled to yours! Brigitta, I was a bit uncomfortable with the images and didn't necessarily agree with their being approved, but I still applaud your artistic ability and am sorry that you were made to feel bad. I've had people suggest that I design my own art stamps and start a business with them, but I don't think I have the freehand drawing ability or the imagination to do it. Kudos to you!
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I did not see the quote to which you were referring but I do believe that Brigitta's feeling were very hurt...you just had to read her post after she removed her images to see that and it makes me very sad to know what was done to her here!
Kristin ~ I did read her post and again I am sorry that her feelings were hurt but we (those that are offended) never said an ill word about Brigitta. Only that her card in which she used the fairies on were offending to us. That is not to say that her Art is bad or anything of the sort. I have not checked it out but I am sure that her gallery is full of beautiful artwork. I am very sure that it was never anyones intentions to hurt Brigitta's feelings.
~ And the quote I was referring to was removed. It was in violation of the TOS.
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Now we just have to figure out what "God's people" means. ;)
ETA: at least one of the people who appreciates seeing "this kind of art" is one of God's people by my own definition. Photocropper, you don't speak for me so please don't claim to.
Amen!!
I AM one of God's Peeps. I do mission trips to Bosnia, I've served twice in relief work for H. Katrina, I'm a Bible Study/Small Group Leader, I'm a Small Group Coach, I'm a Sunday Worship Leader, I'm a God fearing, Bible reading wife, I have an accountability partner, I do devotions and prayer time. But most of all, I am a Christ Lover. And I love Jesus and all people. And I thought the Naughty Fairies were cute. And I hurt for Briggita because her feelings WERE hurt.
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We've received several private messages and emails about these uploads, and as I've explained to those who have contacted us, we have discussed the images, and believe there is a difference between nudity and pornography. We certainly will not allow any pornography in the gallery, and have decided that, while different from anything else in our gallery, the images are not pornographic, and they will remain.
Please remember . . . if you don't agree with someone's views, be respectful in posting, or don't post at all.
Honestly we can not resort to pulling or calling for bans of everything that offends us personally. The reason is because all sorts of different things offend all sorts of different people, sooner or later there would be nothing left to admire or be offended by. If it passes muster with SCS Mods and Admins then it is ok by me...if I don't care for something I don't post to it or carry on about it...not on here. One mans trash is another mans treasure. I am against most forms of censorship, we have Moderators and Admin's here for that, we don't need a witch hunt of any kind by members of the community.
Now we just have to figure out what "God's people" means. ;)
ETA: at least one of the people who appreciates seeing "this kind of art" is one of God's people by my own definition. Photocropper, you don't speak for me so please don't claim to.
Mel ~ this is what I said in response to the post that was deleted
"Brigitta is a great artist, I am sure but fact is that those of us who do not appreciate seeing this kind of art are God's people (uptight God' Warrior is very ugly and totally uncalled for) . God's art is beautiful YES but it is also clothed for a reason. There is a time and a place for everything and it is my opinion that is not the place."
I was not speaking for you as you are more than capable of doing so yourself and I never claimed to be speaking for you. I was speaking for myself and those that I know have not agreed with the cards that were posted all in response to the post that was deleted.
Honestly I think that there are many who are still trying to figure out what "God's people" means...to me it means that I have beliefs, morals and values that I must stand up for. I do not beleive that this the the place for these type of images that is all.
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Ummmmm, how did nekkid fairies become a religious discussion???
BRING BACK THE FAIRIES!!!!
Sorry, but my panties got into a major bunch!!
Briggitta did PM me that she is redoing some fairies with "clothes". I went to her site and they were cute! I think she'll be posting them to her gallery tomorrow. Actually, in the Netherlands, it already is tomorrow....
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I AM one of God's Peeps. I do mission trips to Bosnia, I've served twice in relief work for H. Katrina, I'm a Bible Study/Small Group Leader, I'm a Small Group Coach, I'm a Sunday Worship Leader, I'm a God fearing, Bible reading wife, I have an accountability partner, I do devotions and prayer time. But most of all, I am a Christ Lover. And I love Jesus and all people. And I thought the Naughty Fairies were cute. And I hurt for Briggita because her feelings WERE hurt.
Again I was referring to a post that was deleted and I was not speaking for you or about you. please read my post to Mel that explains what I was referring to.
Every Christian has different ways of seeing things and you dont see things the way I do and so on but I was not speaking of you or your beliefs. Sounds like you are doing the things that you beleive to be good and that is great...I have never and would never question yours or anyones standing with God that is not my place.
I am very upset that Briggia's feelings were hurt that was not anyones intentions.
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Mel ~ this is what I said in response to the post that was deleted
"Brigitta is a great artist, I am sure but fact is that those of us who do not appreciate seeing this kind of art are God's people (uptight God' Warrior is very ugly and totally uncalled for) . God's art is beautiful YES but it is also clothed for a reason. There is a time and a place for everything and it is my opinion that is not the place."
I was not speaking for you as you are more than capable of doing so yourself and I never claimed to be speaking for you. I was speaking for myself and those that I know have not agreed with the cards that were posted all in response to the post that was deleted.
Honestly I think that there are many who are still trying to figure out what "God's people" means...to me it means that I have beliefs, morals and values that I must stand up for. I do not beleive that this the the place for these type of images that is all.
But SCS has stated the images can remain. It is thier site and they agreed they were not pornography, so as it is not up to any one of us (as in members of the community) we really don't have a say so in what we personally think there is a place for here, if it was on someones own personal site then yes they would have a right to protest or pull it. Here the powers that be have already decided the images are ok...I personally hope that she brings them back.
Briggitta did PM me that she is redoing some fairies with "clothes". I went to her site and they were cute! I think she'll be posting them to her gallery tomorrow. Actually, in the Netherlands, it already is tomorrow....
Oh that is so good to hear but sad that she feels it is necessary. There are 2 sides to this story and those who feel they MUST stand up for their beliefs are trampling on others' beliefs, creativity, and human rights as well. It is just very sad that the feelings of the artist are so easily dismissed! :(
I just have to say I did not see anyone personally attack Brigitta. People have a right to state their opinions (positive and negative) and saying you don't care for or are offended by a card does not mean you are saying you don't like the artist of that card. I (and others) said that we thought Brigitta was a good artist--She did a very good job making those images. We did not attack Brigitta. But as a Christian I have a responsibility to stand up for what I personally believe in.
Yet, the people who were offended by the images, even though they tried hard not to hurt others were personally attacked by many different people and called names even after the mods requested we didn't resort to name calling. So it is okay for people to attack us with their words, but not for us to give our opinions???
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Ok I am trying to figure out what this sign is?????
(Not to be a thread stealer butthis has me as intrigued as the whole naked fairy controversy)!
For a moment, we had what appeared to be a "troll"...her post was promptly deleted.
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I think people are accusing Shelley of being the one who infused the "God's people" comment.... when her response was solely in response to what the deleted post said.
It's not like she was saying "God's people would think X and if you don't think that, you're not God's people!"
I think people need to give Shelley the benefit of the doubt here. She's not a judgmental meanie.
Would those who were offended from the fairies just tell Brigitta "thank you'' for being so kind as to remove them because she didn't want to continue to upset people?
And those who were not offeneded from the fairies, would you please continue to be supportive of each other?
Let's just let this roll off of our backs, and be thankful we have a place to come and post our creations to.
I look forward to seeing Brigitta's new fairies, as I am a fairy/pixie lover myself. ;)
Edited: Quote violates TOS; removed by SCS Team Member, JulieHRR
Come on it is really not nice to name call. It is our opinion that SCS was not the place for the fairies...that is all. It is really simple for me ... my young children look at the gallery with me. I do NOT want them seeing things like this at a young age. Brigitta is a great artist, I am sure but fact is that those of us who do not appreciate seeing this kind of art are God's people (uptight God' Warrior is very ugly and totally uncalled for) . God's art is beautiful YES but it is also clothed for a reason. There is a time and a place for everything and it is my opinion that is not the place. Maybe if we were living in another part of the world this would be the norm. But we are not.
You are right about the TV ~ prehaps that is why we have parental control over what our children watch. We do not have movie channels nor do we watch anything that is not child friendly while the children are around or awake for that matter. But then again that is another topic all together.
Honestly do we have to be so ugly about this? Everyone has an opinion and everyone sees things differently that is what makes the world go round. Why must you take up arms and resort to ugliness. We, those of us who do not appreciate seeing these kinds of things in the gallery, have not said one ill word against Brigitta or anyone else for that matter. If that is what you like that is fine ~ the ones with the hurt feelings are those that are being attacked for having an opinion against something. Not Brigitta.
First, Brigitta's feelings were hurt, by this thread and comments posted to the cards. She was upset that her art offended so many people and that some people would be so negative in their comments posted to her cards. Second, I don't believe all "God's art" is clothed. I remember specifically a stained glass window in my Catholic church growing up that had a naked woman in it. And wasn't it Eve that kind of messed up the whole naked thing in the first place? If I remember right (and I'm not particularly religious now, so I may have this wrong) Adam and Eve were naked until Eve ate the forbidden fruit, weren't they?
Third, Brigitta IS from another part of the world. This site is not limited to those of us in the US. We have members from Canada, Germany, Japan, Switzerland, Denmark, England, and just about everywhere else on this Earth! I don't expect all images on this site to conform to our somewhat conservative sense of decency.
While the fairies weren't my style, I wasn't offended by them. But I do understand those who were offended. That is obviously your right to be offended. But the mods on this site have the right to approve any images they think are appropriate. They thought these images were not pornographic and were appropriate for this site. I really feel sorry for Brigitta, who felt compelled to remove her artwork.
Would those who were offended from the fairies just tell Brigitta "thank you'' for being so kind as to remove them because she didn't want to continue to upset people?
And those who were not offeneded from the fairies, would you please continue to be supportive of each other?
Let's just let this roll off of our backs, and be thankful we have a place to come and post our creations to.
I look forward to seeing Brigitta's new fairies, as I am a fairy/pixie lover myself. ;)
In my view if you attack the art you attack the artist. Be honest here people...tell me you wouldnt be offended if someone came into your gallery and posted that your card was offensive to them and it should not be posted in 'our' gallery!? What ever the subject may be Im sure the honest among us would be hurt, upset and offended...especially when the owners of the site already approved your work and said it was perfectly appropriate here!
Would those who were offended from the fairies just tell Brigitta "thank you'' for being so kind as to remove them because she didn't want to continue to upset people?
And those who were not offeneded from the fairies, would you please continue to be supportive of each other?
Let's just let this roll off of our backs, and be thankful we have a place to come and post our creations to.
I look forward to seeing Brigitta's new fairies, as I am a fairy/pixie lover myself. ;)
YES Brigitta ~ thank you for so kindly thinking of others and our feelings and removing the cards. I honestly look forward to seeing your creations of the clothed fairies. Hugs for you Brigitta and I do hope you continue to post your art (I just personally would like to see clothed art ; ) I am very sorry that your feelings were hurt and it was never about YOU personally. Please try to understand that.
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In my view if you attack the art you attack the artist. Be honest here people...tell me you wouldnt be offended if someone came into your gallery and posted that your card was offensive to them and it should not be posted in 'our' gallery!? What ever the subject may be Im sure the honest among us would be hurt, upset and offended...especially when the owners of the site already approved your work and said it was perfectly appropriate here!
I can honestly say that this *has* happened to me, and it didn't hurt my feelings.
Some of you will recall the "booberfly" cards from about a year ago and I got several pm's that told me they were inappropriate and wrong.
It honestly didn't bother me. I mean, it's not like I didn't know they were a risque thing when I posted them!
Am I sad that Brigitta's feelings were hurt? Of course! And I can totally understand that they would be! But I think there is a separation between a person and their art..... they never said her artwork was bad, just that maybe *this* was not the appropriate forum to share it in.
I honestly didn't have an issue with the fairies. They're not something I'd send my grandma... but I didn't think they were erotica. It is such a fine line between art and "something else". I really did get SCS's reasoning for approving them. They have a very no-censoring relationship with the SCS community. I've appreciated that in other areas, but I understand that in some situations, that means I will be offended or see things I'd rather not see... simply because they don't censor...
Would those who were offended from the fairies just tell Brigitta "thank you'' for being so kind as to remove them because she didn't want to continue to upset people?
And those who were not offeneded from the fairies, would you please continue to be supportive of each other?
Let's just let this roll off of our backs, and be thankful we have a place to come and post our creations to.
I look forward to seeing Brigitta's new fairies, as I am a fairy/pixie lover myself. ;)
This is a great reminder Emily!
I hope that we can kind of move on-I am 99% sure nobody is changing their minds (and that is cool) but the same arguments are being rehashed. I do not want anybody to go to bed with hurt feelings, so this may be a case of agreeing to disagree.
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Oh, and I've also gotten PM's that my polls (esp. the kid peeing in the pool poll) were inappropriate and SCS was not the correct avenue for them (by people, NOT by SCS mods or anything).
So I (unfortunately!) understand what it feels like. I felt embarassed.... as I'm sure Brigitta feels. But I hope that Brigitta can see that people do think of her as a talented artist and want to see more of her work.
Oh, and I've also gotten PM's that my polls (esp. the kid peeing in the pool poll) were inappropriate and SCS was not the correct avenue for them (by people, NOT by SCS mods or anything).
So I (unfortunately!) understand what it feels like. I felt embarassed.... as I'm sure Brigitta feels. But I hope that Brigitta can see that people do think of her as a talented artist and want to see more of her work.
Well then obviously some people need to lighten up! ;) lol
We were all naked before the fall, and then WE made nakedness wrong, right?!
Art is art. If you can't stand the heat...stay out of the kitchen(or just skip to the next image).
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I just have to say that it tickles me that you always have to include "others" in most of your posts to this site. Let the others speak for themselves. Be a big girl and if you are one of the offended ones then hold your ground. Hopefully you won't be flamed for your opinions. I don't think that is what this thread is about!!!!!
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I just have to say I did not see anyone personally attack Brigitta. People have a right to state their opinions (positive and negative) and saying you don't care for or are offended by a card does not mean you are saying you don't like the artist of that card. I (and others) said that we thought Brigitta was a good artist--She did a very good job making those images. We did not attack Brigitta. But as a Christian I have a responsibility to stand up for what I personally believe in.
Yet, the people who were offended by the images, even though they tried hard not to hurt others were personally attacked by many different people and called names even after the mods requested we didn't resort to name calling. So it is okay for people to attack us with their words, but not for us to give our opinions???
Shanon, I just want to know if you had to spell check "hemorroid" or if you just knew how to spell it? IMO, hemorroid (which I might be misspelling) is like diahrreah...I have to look it up on dictionary.com EVERYTIME I use it!
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Shanon, I just want to know if you had to spell check "hemorroid" or if you just knew how to spell it? IMO, hemorroid (which I might be misspelling) is like diahrreah...I have to look it up on dictionary.com EVERYTIME I use it!
why bother using them then? Just say "butt blisters" and "the runs"??:-D
"... but fact is that those of us who do not appreciate seeing this kind of art are God's people..."
I was not speaking for you as you are more than capable of doing so yourself and I never claimed to be speaking for you. I was speaking for myself and those that I know have not agreed with the cards that were posted all in response to the post that was deleted.
Thank you for clarifying. It was not clear to me from the bit in quotation marks above that you were saying anything other than that God's people find some stamp images to be inherently offensive, or that you were speaking only on behalf of the subset of God's people who disagreed with the stamp images. But, now you've clarified so I understand! I just wanted to let you know why I took exception to your comment.
confused...maybe blind?
