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Originally Posted by stampintoo
After all the posts here about it being illegal to post pics, I saw that this Ebay seller has some pics from the summer mini posted. (BTW, I love the monkey set!) Looking at the seller's info, the store has been operating since 2000. So my question is - if the person running the store is not a demo does it make a difference, is it okay? I think if the person was a demo SU would've shut the store down long ago. Are there situations where scanning pics and sending them are okay? Guess I'm wondering because I want to scan a pic of Dino-Mite and send it to my daughter to see if my grandson would like it (I'd buy it for him). Normally I would have done so without thinking twice about it but the guilt factor kicked in after last week's discussions. Any thoughts?
I jsut went to this site & the pictures have been removed...hmmmmm
Not all of them. On the left hand side there is a list of catagories that she is selling and you'll find one for SU with something like 409 listings. Click on it and you will see that only some of the images have been taken off.
__________________ Amy Baker - Richmond, IN
Daycare Provider by day, Stamper by night
If a demo is knowingly supplying someone who is selling on eBay, that's against her contract, and her demoship would be pulled. It's in the contract we sign.
Of course. But it would be very hard to prove that a demo knowingly supplied her. They'd basically have to admit to it.
She's been around a long time and they haven't caught her yet.
I saw someone selling the Stampin Up! tote and padfolio that you can only get with Great Rewards Points. I believe that it was up to $39. That is crap!!!
StampinMelis,
If you read my post on page 2, the page of eBay rules has one line singling out demos, the rest is for everyone.
You are right that it would be very hard to prove if someone was fronting. Especially someone who apparently has quite a network set up. From other threads I've read, if you order, things come from different places. The only way to catch someone would be if - say, I let my sister do the front for me. That would be dumb, of course. But I believe that is why she is still going, too hard to catch.
And I don't really care... the more people know, the less they will buy there. While I am enjoying reading this thread, I can honestly say I'm not upset over it - but only because at my age, I choose not to be upset over things I can't control. If I were on eBay myself, and saw these, I would simply send a note to DS if I saw copyright violations.
I also don't expect SU! to put any more of their money into policing than they have to. I don't want to have to pay more for my stuff because they had to step up enforcement, KWIM?
Peace.
__________________ Kathy Wrose "Fun must be always." - Tomas Hertl, San Jose Sharks "It was fun." - Kirk, Star Trek: Generations
"Right from the beginning we have a keen sense of justice and want the authorities to enforce the rules they make. But Stampin' Up is a private company, and they can wave it off if they want. If it was truly damaging to them financially, they'd take care of it and fast."
Quoted from previous message:
"I also find it interesting that the last 27+ FEEDBACKS on her eBay accout were all from the same buyer (nitro923)...all buying SU Products. http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAP...&iid=-1&de=off
If you check what that person bought - it was all for individual stamps. Nitro923 probably bought a bunch of individual stamps separated out from their sets and got combined shipping from Hambro19. Then, the feedback was left at the same time for all the items. This is typical with ebay buyers / sellers purchasing multiple items from one person.
I sent links to several of her auctions to DS with a note saying "these images are against copyright law and several have been lifted from the Demo website...I hope you are successful in shutting down her auctions"
It really irks me! I mean, I'd never earn a cruise, but I know a few ladies who have/can/will/could, and this is patently unfair to them!! Even if she's not a demo, you can bet she's helping earn her demo one!!
__________________ ~Debbi~
Though no one can go back and make a brand new start, anyone can start from now and make a brand new ending. ~Author Unknown
Not only is she selling stamp sets...she is also selling accessories! This stinks. This is not fair. If you are as upset as I am please, please, PLEASE let SU know. We need a no tollerance policy for current merchandise on SU.
I wish my customers were like Tendermoments. But with the economy hurting everyone is looking for a cheap way to buy things. Maybe on this particular site the items aren't cheaper...but on enough of them they are and it only hurts the demos who are trying to make an honest living selling SU products.
__________________ Michelle Thomas Craft Well, Wrap Often, Stamp Much!! I FiNallY DiD iT - TAC AnGeL #2645
I saw someone selling the Stampin Up! tote and padfolio that you can only get with Great Rewards Points. I believe that it was up to $39. That is crap!!!
Tina
Heaven forbid that someone buy something that they want!
What a sweet scam she's got going - over 2800 items this year alone! I'd love to know how she does it. Evil genius?
I also enjoyed reading the negative and neutral feedback she receives. People who have problems with her are "newbies" and she scams on shipping too (shock!). What a b*tch! Before I buy from anyone on eBay, I read all the non-positive feedback. It doesn't matter how many good comments they have, their responses to the bad ones tell you how easy it is to fix a problem. Even if I didn't know her store was illegal I wouldn't buy from someone that b*tchy.
I just checked out her seller profile - she has a positive feedback of 99.7%
If you had to bet your life, do you think your feedback from your customers would be higher than 99.7%?
Is there any chance that she sells so much due to GREAT customer service with a high quality product AND timely delivery or should we be led to believe that over 4,500 customers that left positive feedback are scammed "newbies"?
Username "Freemarketinamerica"
At the time I'm writing this, this user just joined today & has made a total of three posts, all in this thread.
Profile information as follows -
Biography:
Interested spectator
Location:
Utah
Interests:
Supporting the values that helped build America - free trade, capitalism, and self-determination.
Occupation:
Advocate of the maligned
Under the circumstances, I assume that Freemarketinamerica is here to defend the rights of downtrodden ebay merchants who sell copious amounts of new SU products. I also assume that one with a free market bias believes that there should be an idealized free market in SU goods, in the sense that it would be free from artificial price constraints such as SU's prohibition against demonstrators selling current SU product on ebay.
In an idealized free market, however, prices tend toward equilibrium as demand balances with supply. If all demonstrators could sell new SU product on ebay, prices would tend towards (lower) equilibrium, and those who currently violate SU's rules would not enjoy the price premiums they now receive. Ebay sellers who "compete" outside the rules thus actually reap the benefits of SU's decision not to allow demonstrators to sell on ebay.
Demonstrators who game the SU rules by selling on ebay indirectly through non-demos are not competing in economic terms; rather, they're benefitting from an absence of competition from other demonstrators.
I have no problem with people expressing their opinion on whether SU should or should not permit ebay sales. But I hardly classify demonstrators looking for under the table ways to evade their contractual obligations as exemplifying the "values that helped build America."
Freemarketinamerica, if I have made untoward assumptions, I am sorry. However, as a newcomer to this board you may not realize that it was started by a Stampin Up demonstrator for her downline, and that many many members are SU demonstrators who abide by their demo agreements. Demonstrators who team up with non-demos to sell on ebay in violation of their contracts are not competing - they are cheating.
o sell copious amounts of new SU products. I also assume that one with a free market bias believes that there should be an idealized free market in SU goods, in the sense that it would be free from artificial price constraints such as SU's prohibition against demonstrators selling current SU product on ebay.
Demonstrators who game the SU rules by selling on ebay indirectly through non-demos are not competing in economic terms; rather, they're benefitting from an absence of competition from other demonstrators.
After checking, there are more than 7,500 items currently listed on e-bay if you use "Stampin' Up" as the search term. You mention the "absence of competition," but I would argue the contrary. Isn't equilibrium established under such a free market? Contrary to SU's constricted trade, e-bay provides sellers of all types (not just those that want or can attend parties and those that are willing to forfeit their privacy regarding their purchasing habits, desires, etc.) the opportunity and CONVENIENCE to buy what they want, when they want it.
I understand the plight of the SU demo, but relish the fact that we live in a free market economy that allows buyers and sellers to determine what is in their best interest within the framework of the law. I believe SU should allow any channel for demos to reach their customers. How is that hurtful to their business to empower the demo to reach as many customers as possible?
I don't usually post when I am angry, but this time I feel I must.
This post was archived until you happened to bring it back to the top. As others have noted, I see every post you have made has been to this thread. I don't know why you came to this site or what you know about Stampin' Up!, but SU! is a HOME based business, not an INTERNET based business. What it boils down to is the demonstrators selling current and not-yet-available items on ebay are directly violating a legal contract they signed their name too. In addition, many are using copyrighted pictures and putting them in their auctions as if the picture were taken by them (obviously when you see (c) Stampin' Up! they were NOT taken by that individual) which in addition is a copyright violation.
You said "I understand the plight of the SU demo, but relish the fact that we live in a free market economy that allows buyers and sellers to determine what is in their best interest" Are you saying it is in our best interest to violate a legally binding contract we signed in order to make a few more bucks??? Oh, and AS a demonstrator who is reading what you are posting, no, you really DON'T understand.
__________________ Jess Don't tell God how big the storm is, tell the storm how big your God is!
Anyone who believes that stomping on other people's hard work just to make a buck, will get what they deserve in the end. There will always be those who will do anything no matter what they cost. That probably means that they'd sell the last morsel of food off thier child's plate to make a buck. There's only one thing wrong with that.. Karma's a B*tch.... and Payback is her best friend.
Just keep working hard and supporting what you believe in. We'll win in the end!
And as for all that bull about "free trade", filling a void,.. Puh-leez.. I wont even dignify that with a response.
What it boils down to is the demonstrators selling current and not-yet-available items on ebay are directly violating a legal contract they signed their name to.
Precisely the very point.
The issue isn't about whether or not anyone agrees or disagrees with SU! policy with regards to internet sales conducted by demo'rs.
Fact remains, it is against policy. Demo'rs sign a legally binding contract to conduct their business as per this policy and all other guidelines clearly listed in the contract.
And the plight of the honorable SU! demonstrator is that others seek to gain profit for themselves by violating their own legally binding agreement.
That is the issue. Not whether or not we are a society founded on a free market, nor whether or not SU! permits internet sales by their demonstrators.
No one objects to "legally and honorably" conducted free-enterprise.
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Yo, Catie! Have you tried Cinnabon Popcorn???? Oh, lawdy!!!!
__________________ Julie Ebersole (JulieHRR once upon a time . . . )julieebersole.com"So shines a good deed in a weary world." -Willy Wonka
